Crosswords says...

Neat I need print that out and hang it above my computer so I can pick apart people's arguments with great vitriol on the internet while ignoring the fallacy fallacy.

NetRunner says...

I honestly think Christians as a group aren't as prone to it as Republicans.

I've met plenty of Christians who admit upfront that their faith doesn't have logical/evidentiary support, understand that arguments from faith should not be expected to carry weight in secular environments, and accept the legitimacy of secular institutions in society (e.g. government, public schools, research, etc.).

I don't think most avid conservatives are even aware that they're engaging in faith-based reasoning, nor do they understand that arguments from faith deserve to be dismissed by others, nor do they accept the legitimacy of secular (i.e. not explicitly conservative) institutions.

Maybe it's just an American cultural thing though. Here there's a pretty high overlap between Christians who make fallacious arguments about God, and people who've adopted conservative political views.

>> ^gwiz665:

@NetRunner or Christians.

gwiz665 says...

The nice Christians generally don't argue. :]

Too many political debates are faith based, with no foundation in reality - us against them mentality, where I'm on this side because I'm against that other guy.

When I was younger, I always thought that voting with your brain (for the one that's most likely to win that's better than the other guy that I don't like) was the best, but in my ripe old age of 28, I'm voting more and more by heart. Be damned if they will actually get into government, at least I'll send a message. Here in denmark, whether it's the left or right getting into power is largely the same. By american standards they're all socialists. heh. Even the ones called "ultra-liberalists" (who I vote for) are FAR more socialistic than any american party, and they want to bring in the low low tax of 40 %.

>> ^NetRunner:

I honestly think Christians as a group aren't as prone to it as Republicans.
I've met plenty of Christians who admit upfront that their faith doesn't have logical/evidentiary support, understand that arguments from faith should not be expected to carry weight in secular environments, and accept the legitimacy of secular institutions in society (e.g. government, public schools, research, etc.).
I don't think most avid conservatives are even aware that they're engaging in faith-based reasoning, nor do they understand that arguments from faith deserve to be dismissed by others, nor do they accept the legitimacy of secular (i.e. not explicitly conservative) institutions.
Maybe it's just an American cultural thing though. Here there's a pretty high overlap between Christians who make fallacious arguments about God, and people who've adopted conservative political views.
>> ^gwiz665:
@NetRunner or Christians.


smooman says...

>> ^gwiz665:

The nice Christians generally don't argue. :]
Too many political debates are faith based, with no foundation in reality - us against them mentality, where I'm on this side because I'm against that other guy.
When I was younger, I always thought that voting with your brain (for the one that's most likely to win that's better than the other guy that I don't like) was the best, but in my ripe old age of 28, I'm voting more and more by heart. Be damned if they will actually get into government, at least I'll send a message. Here in denmark, whether it's the left or right getting into power is largely the same. By american standards they're all socialists. heh. Even the ones called "ultra-liberalists" (who I vote for) are FAR more socialistic than any american party, and they want to bring in the low low tax of 40 %.
>> ^NetRunner:
I honestly think Christians as a group aren't as prone to it as Republicans.
I've met plenty of Christians who admit upfront that their faith doesn't have logical/evidentiary support, understand that arguments from faith should not be expected to carry weight in secular environments, and accept the legitimacy of secular institutions in society (e.g. government, public schools, research, etc.).
I don't think most avid conservatives are even aware that they're engaging in faith-based reasoning, nor do they understand that arguments from faith deserve to be dismissed by others, nor do they accept the legitimacy of secular (i.e. not explicitly conservative) institutions.
Maybe it's just an American cultural thing though. Here there's a pretty high overlap between Christians who make fallacious arguments about God, and people who've adopted conservative political views.
>> ^gwiz665:
@NetRunner or Christians.




baby jesus told me to tell you that youre both dirty dirty sinners and youre doomed to hell



god bless!

NetRunner says...

@gwiz665 it's funny, but here in America, whether it's the left or right getting into power is largely the same. By Danish standards they're all fascists. Even the ones called "ultra-liberal" (who I vote for) are FAR more fascist than any Danish party, and even they want to make sure that the poor are kept suffering, as a human sacrifice to their Free Market Jesus.

That said, I'm still voting with my head. It seems like the best way to achieve the goals in my heart. Though it's a little easier for me to do that, since basically anyone even sorta left-wing with any credibility who runs for office does so as a member of the Democratic party.

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